[18:00] Rolig Loon: Thanks for coming. I'm not sure exactly what time it is, but we might as well get started.
[18:00] Rolig Loon: I want to set the tone for this buzz with a few comments. After that, I’d mostly like to listen to where you want to take the conversation. This is a time to explore.
[18:00] Rolig Loon: I have a personal interest in outreach to colleges and universities.
[18:00] Rolig Loon: You can’t tell by looking at my avatar, but I’ve been around for a while.
[18:00] Rolig Loon: Before I retired, I had spent three decades in academic life. I served several campuses as a faculty member and in many administrative roles starting at the departmental level.
[18:00] Ms Qunhua: You look great!
[18:01] Rolig Loon: Thanks.
[18:01] Rolig Loon: I rarely share much more than that in SL. I have never been a librarian, but I may well have hired some of you. I’d rather not know, and I’d rather you didn’t either.
[18:02] Rolig Loon: I like who we are here, without that old baggage about who’s who in the food chain. ;-)
[18:02] Rolig Loon: Some people say that administrators care more about institutions than the people in them.
[18:02] Rolig Loon: I guess that’s true, sometimes. A healthy institution will survive staff turnover, political upheaval, and budget disasters.
[18:02] Rolig Loon: It’s important for SL and its libraries to become as healthy as possible.
[18:02] Rolig Loon: A healthy institution is built by people who care to invest in it, though.
[18:02] Rolig Loon: And the first wave of enthusiastic pioneers in a new institution are the most vulnerable …
[18:03] Rolig Loon: to negative peer pressure, outdated policies and practices, uncompensated use of personal time, and just plain burnout.
[18:03] Rolig Loon: So I worry about many of the people around me in the libraries.
[18:03] Rolig Loon: I also worry about some of the enthusiastic pioneer faculty I see in SL.
[18:03] Rolig Loon: We can help each other. I believe that one good way to do it is to tie the libraries and the universities & colleges together at the institutional level.
[18:03] Rolig Loon: I don’t mean person to person outreach – although that’s very important too …
[18:04] Rolig Loon: I mean outreach from the SL libraries as a community to RL campuses as institutions.
[18:04] Rolig Loon: In my experience, talented people do best when they can count on strong institutions to support their professional growth, …
[18:04] Rolig Loon: protect them from the random (or deliberate) idiocy of politics, …
[18:04] Rolig Loon: and manage the drudgery of paying the bills and repairing leaks in the roof.
[18:04] Rolig Loon: If you read my report, you’ll see that I think we have a long way to go.
[18:04] Rolig Loon: Today’s buzz is a chance to start brainstorming about how to get there.
[18:05] Hypatia Dejavu nods vigorously
[18:05] Rolig Loon: The report is on line at http://groups.google.com/group/alliancesecondlife/files. If you’d like a short executive summary, just touch the big sign up here.
[18:05] Rolig Loon: I have also placed two other recent studies there. One is an excellent report by John Kirriemuir on A July 2007 “snapshot” of UK Higher and Further Education Developments in Second Life.
[18:05] Rolig Loon: The other is a Trends Analysis for Community College Program Builders, written by Jennifer Jones for Bellevue Community College and the National Center for the Biotechnology Workforce.
[18:05] Rolig Loon: One other thought, and I’ll shut up.
[18:05] Rolig Loon: I came to Second Life out of curiosity, because I had heard from faculty friends about a silly “game” that some of their colleagues were playing.
[18:05] Rolig Loon: I’m sensitive to comments like that.
[18:06] Rolig Loon: It’s what I said in the early 1990s when some enthusiastic teachers tried to show me the Web for the first time.
[18:06] Rolig Loon: I was wrong.
[18:06] Rolig Loon: It took me and most teachers a long time to figure out that students could actually learn some things better on line.
[18:06] Rolig Loon: Universities have new learning environment here.
[18:06] Rolig Loon: The SL Library community can be a powerful partner as they explore what to do with it.
[18:06] Rolig Loon: Without meaning to exaggerate too much, I believe we can help change the face of higher education and libraries today.
[18:07] Rolig Loon: So that's it.
[18:07] Rolig Loon: Shall we talk?
[18:07] Rolig Loon waits for the shoe to drop.
[18:07] Hypatia Dejavu listens to the crickets
[18:07] Rolig Loon: ;-)
[18:07] JJ Drinkwater is trying to think of a question as good as the opening remarks
[18:08] Ms Qunhua: I could paste my sob story, but that would depress everyone.
[18:08] Ms Qunhua: & take too long.
[18:08] Adiatha Bishop: How many educational institutions now have a presence here?
[18:08] Rolig Loon: It's a good one, though, Ms. Qunhua.
[18:08] Brian Garfield: I think some of the problems may be WHO is pushing SL in universities.
[18:08] JJ Drinkwater: I have a faint intimation that in the long run, institutions are going to look different in SL, and places like SL. Any thoughts on how that will matter?
[18:08] Hypatia Dejavu: Unfortunately my current position does not give me a chance to evangelize on the RL side of things. So I have to focus on providing a credible service here to impress incoming observers.
[18:09] Rolig Loon: At my best guess, about 180 instiututions are "in" SL.
[18:09] Brian Garfield: For example, my university IT built the virtual presence.
[18:09] Adiatha Bishop: That's quite a few
[18:09] Rolig Loon: Yes, but only about 65 have a real presence, and my estimate places abouit 1/3 of those as "serious."
[18:09] Hypatia Dejavu: But the level of commitment is very wide and mostly minimal.
[18:10] Adiatha Bishop: I wonder if there is any pattern to how they are blending 2L with the real world institutions
[18:10] Hypatia Dejavu: so about 20?
[18:10] Floria Beaumont: Unfortunately, a lot of them don't know what to do with the land and buildings they have.
[18:10] Rolig Loon: By "serious" I mean that they offer an ongoing curriculum, have a continuing research program, or own land.
[18:10] Rolig Loon: About 20.
[18:10] Rolig Loon: A lot of universities have no more than one or two people here.
[18:11] Hypatia Dejavu: That's actually more than I expected.
[18:11] Rolig Loon: That goes for libararies too, BTW.
[18:11] Ms Qunhua: I'll paste from my boss' email.
[18:11] Rolig Loon: Good. Please do.
[18:11] Ms Qunhua: "Thanks for the information you provided, however, it is not a report of your assessment of how this is beneficial to public services here"
[18:12] Ms Qunhua: "Therefore, again, complete your investigation for [snip] and report by August 8th. You have other assignments that also need completion. This appears to take an inordinate amount of your time."
[18:12] Ms Qunhua: Oops! Didn't mean to out my Library.
[18:12] Rolig Loon: It's a common story.
[18:13] Ms Qunhua: "Per our conversation of yesterday, please provide to me , by August 8th, a written report of your findings of using Second City as a resource for the [snip] Library. As you stated it used by a lot of librarians, however not of value for library service. This being the case, complete your exploration of Second City"
[18:13] Rolig Loon: My guess is that a lot of us in SL are either senior folks with little to lose, or young folks who are very much alone.
[18:13] Ms Qunhua: She didn't even get the name right!
[18:13] Hypatia Dejavu: It's an online problem to. "Why should we fund something that isn't used by only our taxpayers?"
[18:14] Maskun Hird: Of course that's true of having a presence on the web
[18:14] Hypatia Dejavu: Yes indeed. Of course most substantive services on the web are behind library card authentication.
[18:14] Rolig Loon: The web has matured a lot over the past 16 years. We are new.
[18:14] Brian Garfield: Hypatia, good comment. I think we need to look beyond this for the future of education and libraries. But it is hard to convince people when money (taxes) is involved that universally we can be stronger.
[18:15] Floria Beaumont: How many libraries have a presence in SL, and of those, how many are academic libraries?
[18:15] Hypatia Dejavu: Brian, I firmly agree. But it's the budget planners we need to convince.
[18:15] Rolig Loon: Hypatia, do you know?
[18:15] Ms Qunhua: Rolig told me yesterday that there may very well be faculty & students from my univ. in SL, but I don't know it.
[18:15] Rolig Loon: My recollection is something like 150 libraries, but I'm not sure.
[18:16] Brian Garfield: It is tough to convince them with physical books and journals in front of them, so we have a large hill to climb for sure.
[18:17] Rolig Loon: My point is that while we act as individuals, scattered across libraries and universities, we make progress slowly.
[18:17] Floria Beaumont: I can tell you that a lot of educators, as individuals, are interested in using SL, but they are still struggling with how to do that.
[18:17] Rolig Loon: And there will be a lot of attrition among the pioneers.
[18:17] Floria Beaumont: I'm working with Sloan-C to organize some in-world activities for higher-ed folks to address some of those issues.
[18:17] Floria Beaumont: There are other educational organizations doing similar things.
[18:18] Rolig Loon: If the libraries, together, help work with the universities at the institutional level, we can build a more stable environment.
[18:18] Ms Qunhua: Architects and anyone who does design can see the merits.
[18:18] Floria Beaumont: But if you limit the collaboration to an institutional level, you'll be severely limiting what you can accomplish, I think.
[18:18] Floria Beaumont: A lot of the educators in SL are here as individuals not as part of their institutions.
[18:19] Rolig Loon: The plan can involve helping the universities build a support network for their faculty.
[18:19] Floria Beaumont: I think it will grow from there as people see what's being done.
[18:19] Ms Qunhua: We have a theology school.
[18:19] Ms Qunhua: I've been very interested in SL religion lately.
[18:20] Max Batra: One of the major limitations to our involvement is the lack of PCs that can run the SL client. The college recommended system doesn't have the graphics. can't do much in no one can access.
[18:20] Ms Qunhua nods her head.
[18:20] Rolig Loon: I was a senior administrator long enough to know that the good work of isolated faculty is easy to overlook.
[18:20] Hypatia Dejavu: The gaming inititives help us there, where they exist.
[18:20] Rolig Loon: And librarians.
[18:20] Floria Beaumont: I teach at a community college in Colorado, and I can't use SL in a substantial way in my classes because not all my students even own computers or have the computer skills necessary to get around in SL.
[18:20] Brian Garfield: I give talks on web 2.0 on often mention SL. I always get several comments about the digital divide.
[18:21] Rolig Loon: Good point.
[18:21] Floria Beaumont: I know faculty who barely even use e-mail.
[18:21] Rolig Loon: And yet, don't the Colorado CCs have a regional cooperative?
[18:21] Ms Qunhua: I have to say goodbye to y'all after Aug. 8.
[18:21] Floria Beaumont: It's all one system.
[18:22] Rolig Loon: With some sharing of resources?
[18:22] Floria Beaumont: In fact, I started an SL group for those of us in CCCS, and we have a total of 10 members.
[18:22] Rolig Loon: Good. That's the sort of collective start I think has to happen.
[18:22] Rolig Loon: How could the libraries help you?
[18:22] Floria Beaumont: That's what I've been thinking about.
[18:23] Ms Qunhua: I'm going to a statewide conference on library 2.0 tomorrow.
[18:23] Rolig Loon: Is it clear that the SL libraries have something to offer?
[18:23] Floria Beaumont: I don't see any point in replicating in SL what is done in RL and on the web.
[18:23] Floria Beaumont: --and done better there.
[18:23] Ms Qunhua: I agree.
[18:23] Ms Qunhua: The Web is for data.
[18:23] Rolig Loon: We saw the same comment from librarians in a survey released last week. It's a valid one.
[18:24] Ms Qunhua: -SL is for the interaction.
[18:24] Hypatia Dejavu: It is.
[18:24] Hypatia Dejavu: It is.
[18:24] Rolig Loon: So what do we offer?
[18:24] Floria Beaumont: What I and a lot of educators in SL need help with is locating resources and site in SL itself.
[18:24] Floria Beaumont: sites
[18:24] Max Batra: The ability to meet people from around the world, for one thing
[18:24] Rolig Loon: Good.
[18:24] Floria Beaumont: I'm teaching two humanities classes this fall, and I am thinking about giving students with the resources an option for doing a field trip in SL if I can find places where they could go that would be relevant.
[18:25] Ms Qunhua: I definitely see our network as useful when I get a stumper.
[18:25] Brian Garfield: Offer SL strengths of: social, international, modelling, collaboration
[18:25] Rolig Loon: And what might the libraries do to help you do it better?
[18:25] Maskun Hird: collaboration
[18:25] Floria Beaumont: yes
[18:25] Floria Beaumont: To be honest, I see the greatest potential of SL right now as being professional development and networking.
[18:25] Ms Qunhua nods her head.
[18:25] Rolig Loon: So do I, Floria.
[18:26] Ms Qunhua: But that's because someone set up these discussions.
[18:26] Rolig Loon: There are faculty developers among us who would love to help.
[18:26] Brian Garfield: My personal development and networking on the main strengths I highlight during web 2 talks.
[18:26] Hypatia Dejavu: I do keep making the point that this is the best meeting software currently available. Far better than a conference call.
[18:26] Rolig Loon: LOL
[18:26] Rolig Loon: It is.
[18:26] Floria Beaumont: You should go where the educators are.
[18:26] Ms Qunhua nods her head.
[18:27] Rolig Loon: We need to go where the educators' LEADERS are.
[18:27] Floria Beaumont: For example, right now is the weekly ISTE social on their island in this same group.
[18:27] Ms Qunhua: I subscribe to the Chron. of High. Ed's Wired blog
[18:27] Floria Beaumont: In some ways, the educators who are in SL now are the leaders.
[18:27] Ms Qunhua: that's why I finally entered SL.
[18:27] Rolig Loon: Yes, you are right, Floria.
[18:27] Rolig Loon: Although not always in a political sense.
[18:28] Floria Beaumont: There are a lot of K-12 educators in SL who will never have classes in this grid.
[18:28] Rolig Loon: I found only a handful 10-15 colleges where an identified administrator had some responsibility for helping in SL.
[18:28] Floria Beaumont: However, they will be doing professional development.
[18:28] Ms Qunhua: This is perfect for distance ed.
[18:28] Floria Beaumont: I can't agree with that.
[18:28] Rolig Loon: Yes, it is, Ms. Qunhua.
[18:28] Floria Beaumont: sorry
[18:29] Floria Beaumont: I started teaching online in 2002.
[18:29] Rolig Loon: Except for the digital divide, of course.
[18:29] Hypatia Dejavu: It is very good for that. I speak as someone who has taught here and who did her BS and MLS online.
[18:29] Floria Beaumont: Online education's primary attraction for me and most of my students is the convenience, which is tied to its asynchronous aspect.
[18:29] Rolig Loon: And SL is not asynchronous, which is your point, yes?
[18:30] Floria Beaumont: yes
[18:30] Liri Juran: I did my MLiS online. My biggest problem was isolation. Perhaps SL could help overcome that.
[18:30] Hypatia Dejavu: But there is a constant complaint about the loss of synchronous meetings.
[18:30] Floria Beaumont: And there are other tools that work better for that.
[18:30] gsm0002 Aabye: hi, all
[18:30] Floria Beaumont: I haven't had any online students complain about that.
[18:30] Rolig Loon: Hi.
[18:30] Floria Beaumont: --the lack of synchronous meetings.
[18:30] Spiral Mandelbrot: My primary problem with SL as a distance ed platform is the technology difficulties, personally.
[18:31] Spiral Mandelbrot: Things like having presentations not rezzing well.
[18:31] Ms Qunhua: Still, it's not the librarians' role to push SL for distance learning.
[18:31] Floria Beaumont: I teach mostly writing, and I can't see how SL would work well for that subject.
[18:31] Hypatia Dejavu: At the moment it's a better CE platform than a distance ed one
[18:31] Ms Qunhua: We're service people.
[18:31] Rolig Loon: But it could be, Ms. Qunhua.
[18:31] Rolig Loon: What does service mean?
[18:31] Brian Garfield: I think my university has a creative writing instructor that uses it.
[18:31] Floria Beaumont: It could work well for fiction writing classes.
[18:32] Ms Qunhua: We support the curriculum.
[18:32] Rolig Loon: It would be beautiful.
[18:32] Rolig Loon: In fact, I think Desideria Stockton does it.
[18:32] Ms Qunhua: We don't shape the curriculum, (do we?)
[18:32] Spiral Mandelbrot: But we also advise faculty, and some of us do teach.
[18:32] Rolig Loon: The faculty own the curriculum, but the campus shapes it.
[18:32] Floria Beaumont: She teaches literature classes.
[18:32] Brian Garfield: I depends on the tone of your administration and university.
[18:32] Liri Juran: Boo!
[18:32] Rolig Loon: You're right. Sorry, Floria.
[18:32] Ms Qunhua: As an English major, I wish I had seen the Globe Theater on Renaisasnce Island.
[18:33] Abbey Zenith: Virtual Morocco is an excellent example of a student project.
[18:33] Floria Beaumont: It's still there.
[18:33] Floria Beaumont: I "live" on Renaissance Island. There is talk about performances fairly soon.
[18:33] Rolig Loon: What I mean, Liri, is that the faculty can't run the curriculum without support.
[18:34] Rolig Loon: They draw help and ideas from the campus at large.
[18:34] Rolig Loon: (And sometimes ignore it, at their peril)
[18:34] Rolig Loon: (Sorry, my typing is rotten tonight.)
[18:34] Floria Beaumont: I would say that they draw help and ideas from their field at large.
[18:35] Rolig Loon: There is certainly a bias in that direction, but the political reality in most departments is that the faculty can't so it alone.
[18:35] Floria Beaumont: As I mentioned to Rolig in an e-mail, one thing that might make a difference is if publishers produce ancilary materials that could be used in SL.
[18:35] Spiral Mandelbrot: But the campus is also a big influence
[18:35] Floria Beaumont: Right now preparing to use SL for a class is a lot of time-consuming work.
[18:36] Rolig Loon: Preparing for ANY class is time-consuming.
[18:36] Brian Garfield: Floria, maybe the future of publications, due to sky rocketing costs, will push that change.
[18:36] Rolig Loon: Can librarians help?
[18:36] Ms Qunhua nods her head.
[18:36] Floria Beaumont: I don't know.
[18:36] Floria Beaumont: Another thing that I've been researching lately is how to publish in SL.
[18:36] Spiral Mandelbrot: Depends on the class, and the professor, I think.
[18:37] Rolig Loon: Sorry to keep pushing, but I'm trying to see if we could make a compelling case to higher ed administrations that the SL libraries and faculty have something to offer each other, and their home campuses in RL.
[18:37] Floria Beaumont: I have a friend who is a writer and high school teacher, and she would like to write something to make available in SL.
[18:37] Floria Beaumont: Notecards are not the best medium.
[18:37] Spiral Mandelbrot: SL seems more geared to models than text.
[18:37] Floria Beaumont: yes
[18:37] Adiatha Bishop: There is the ThincBook
[18:38] Ms Qunhua: Gosh Floria,
[18:38] Ms Qunhua: are you a naysayer?
[18:38] Floria Beaumont: I'm not trying to be.
[18:38] Brian Garfield: I think if we push the importance of people and how SL can be used for development we have one approach.
[18:38] Floria Beaumont: I'm trying to be realistic.
[18:38] Rolig Loon: Yes, you are.
[18:39] Brian Garfield: Another approach would be if libraries use SL somehow with the digital depositories that are growing.
[18:39] Floria Beaumont: There are other fields than mine where SL would be much more useful.
[18:39] Rolig Loon: As I read those library survey results, I was struck by how much the naysayers had to say.
[18:39] Rolig Loon: And I've heard the same things from administrative friends in higher ed.
[18:39] Rolig Loon: But we have something great to offer.
[18:40] Floria Beaumont: Yes, there are 3600 educators who belong to the SLED listserv.
[18:40] Spiral Mandelbrot: My impression was less that they were naysayers and more that they couldn't see how it would work for them.
[18:40] Rolig Loon: Good ones too.
[18:40] Ms Qunhua: The survey was done on the web?
[18:40] Ms Qunhua: or SL?
[18:40] Rolig Loon: So we have to put together a believable story.
[18:41] Brian Garfield: A third approach to add to my comments above would be can we tie SL to money? For example, my university is using it first to promote to potential students. Now we need to work on the education/library component.
[18:41] Rolig Loon: It was done by e-mail, I believe, to a large number of librarians in the US.
[18:41] Rolig Loon: Abbey, do you recall?
[18:41] Abbey Zenith: Yes, Lori forwarded the link to us I believe.
[18:41] Maskun Hird: It was my survey
[18:41] Ms Qunhua: Then it was the web.
[18:41] Abbey Zenith: ok :)
[18:42] Rolig Loon: Ah! Good, so you know the answers!
[18:42] Maskun Hird: :)
[18:42] Maskun Hird: the comments were very interesting
[18:42] Rolig Loon: Am I right that a lot of respondents simply didn't know why they ought to involve themselves in SL?
[18:43] Maskun Hird: It seemed to be about half and half
[18:43] Maskun Hird: people felt very strongly on either side
[18:44] Spiral Mandelbrot: Many of the comments reminded me of a discussion at my library about podcasting...we couldn't come up with something that we wanted to do, and weren't going to do it just because we could.
[18:44] Rolig Loon: Did you get any feeling that there might be ways that higher ed could help make SL libraries relevant to the negtive respondents?
[18:45] Spiral Mandelbrot: I think we need examples of what is working
[18:45] Ms Qunhua nods her head.
[18:45] Rolig Loon: And unique to SL?
[18:45] Rolig Loon: Or at least peculiar to it?
[18:45] Ms Qunhua: & specific to the constituency.
[18:45] Floria Beaumont: How are SL and the libraries being used to train librarians?
[18:46] Spiral Mandelbrot: What works in SL that didn't work as well elsewhere
[18:46] Maskun Hird: It would seem to me that the academic libraries really need to be here to support their universities that are using sl
[18:46] Rolig Loon: Yes.
[18:46] Ms Qunhua: & if the univs don't use SL?
[18:46] Rolig Loon: If anything, the libraries may have their act together better than higher ed does in SL.
[18:46] Rolig Loon: Maybe.
[18:46] Maskun Hird: we have to start with the ones that are
[18:47] Spiral Mandelbrot: and the rest of us use it for CE
[18:47] Yohan Althouse is Offline
[18:47] Spiral Mandelbrot: we are our own constituents, too
[18:47] Ms Qunhua: *sigh*
[18:47] Rolig Loon: So you would suggest that we focus on universities that already have an SL library connection?
[18:48] Rolig Loon: I've been trying to find out how many of our libraries are represented with the blessing of the UL on the home campus.
[18:48] Rolig Loon: Does anyone know?
[18:49] Danu Dahlstrom: I've been trying to but no number yet
[18:49] Abbey Zenith: No, I don't think we have that info... perhaps we should do a survey too.
[18:49] Ms Qunhua: Sounds like a survey!
[18:50] Rolig Loon: I was trying to find out for Ms Qunhua earlier today, and I got stuck at about 10.
[18:50] Danu Dahlstrom: do we know how many libraries are on a university island?
[18:50] Rolig Loon: We could cross-check.
[18:50] Rolig Loon: I think I know where most of the universities are, but I'm not sure about libraries.
[18:51] Ms Qunhua: Good question!
[18:51] Danu Dahlstrom: does the education wiki help at all?
[18:51] Rolig Loon: The wiki is like all wikis...... nice but flaky.
[18:51] Rolig Loon: Apologies to Jeremy Kemp.
[18:51] Brian Garfield: IT would be tough to tell. My virtual campus has the library building but no "library" presence, if you know what I mean.
[18:51] Rolig Loon: It is only as good as what people put on it.
[18:52] Rolig Loon: That's what I mean, Brian.
[18:52] Rolig Loon: Ohio University is the same way.
[18:52] Ms Qunhua: Why no librarians in the building?
[18:53] Brian Garfield: IT built our campus without anyone else on campus being involved.
[18:53] Brian Garfield: Now we must each find out how to wiggle in.
[18:53] Danu Dahlstrom: sorry, crashed out
[18:53] Abbey Zenith: Brian what college?
[18:53] Rolig Loon: And that's another problem.... A lot of university involvement is really IT.
[18:53] Floria Beaumont: or an individual faculty member
[18:54] Brian Garfield: Case Western Reserve University
[18:54] Ms Qunhua: An online-campus would really draw the constituency near.
[18:54] Abbey Zenith: Ok :) I know of another like that also.
[18:54] Rolig Loon: Wow! And Case is one of the most advanced I have seen in many ways.
[18:54] Ms Qunhua: I mean, SL campus! :-)
[18:54] Brian Garfield: It really is built by OneCleveland but Case IT is a large portion of that group.
[18:55] Rolig Loon: What about the new Cleveland Public Library sim?
[18:55] Ms Qunhua: So they have all the permissions to the interior?
[18:55] Brian Garfield: Right now yes, the library building is theirs.
[18:56] Rolig Loon: But the services?
[18:56] Brian Garfield: A couple of us in the library are exploring how we can get involved.
[18:56] Rolig Loon: After the fact ....
[18:56] Brian Garfield: yep
[18:56] Rolig Loon: Hmmmmm.
[18:56] Ms Qunhua: Better than no SL presence.
[18:56] Rolig Loon: I'm watching the hour vanish here.
[18:57] Rolig Loon: This has been a lively conversation and we have started some good ideas.
[18:57] Rolig Loon: Does anyone care to suggest a fruitful way to go from here?
[18:57] Adiatha Bishop: Thanks for putting this together and for the invites Rolig
[18:57] Rolig Loon: YW.
[18:57] Ms Qunhua: Yes, thank you.
[18:57] Ms Qunhua applauds.
[18:58] Rolig Loon: You can tell that I get passionate about making stable institutions.
[18:58] Rolig Loon: Thanks for sharing in that.
[18:58] Rolig Loon: I'd like to see if some of us can focus on some of tonight's thoughts and develop a plan of action.
[18:59] Rolig Loon: No need for immediate commitment...... ;-)
[18:59] Rolig Loon: but it would be good if you are interested, that you let me know.
[18:59] Ms Qunhua: Are we all part of an academic librn group?
[18:59] Rolig Loon: And we'll see where our noses lead us.
[19:00] Rolig Loon: I'd love it if you wanted to join the SLL Outreach to Higher Education group.
[19:00] Rolig Loon: That would at least give us a way to communiucate.
[19:00] Ms Qunhua: Sure thing!
[19:01] Rolig Loon: I'll figure out how to post a transcript of this buzz, so we all have something to chew on.
[19:01] Adiatha Bishop: I have just joined
[19:01] Danu Dahlstrom: thanks rolig!
[19:01] Rolig Loon: Great!
[19:01] Spiral Mandelbrot: I'm in, too.
[19:01] Rolig Loon: Well, thanks for being here.
[19:01] Abbey Zenith: Thank you Rolig!
[19:01] Adiatha Bishop: I always do a CTRL-A and then copy the text to a notecards
[19:01] Rolig Loon: I love working with you.
[19:01] Spiral Mandelbrot: Thank you!
[19:01] Maskun Hird: Thanks
[19:01] Ms Qunhua: Thanks Adiatha!
[19:02] Abbey Zenith: The next BUZZ will be 8/28 @ 5 PM SLT, Jilliana Suisei The good, bad & ugly: How SL and your other social networking tools play together.
[19:02] Adiatha Bishop: I have to get 2L working with MS Outlook
[19:03] Ms Qunhua is Online
[19:03] Adiatha Bishop: Then these great meetings would show up in my calendar :)
[19:03] Abbey Zenith: Nite all :)
[19:03] JJ Drinkwater: Thanks for a good sessipn, Rolig
[19:04] Ms Qunhua: Thank you, Rolig.
[19:04] KatherineA Allen: thank you Rolig
[19:04] Rolig Loon: Thanks all!
[19:04] Spiral Mandelbrot: 'Nite, all.